given the number of strings, how does one even notate what is to be played? i have a background in lute and can do continuo, and i usually notate more 'unusual' chord shapes in a sort of tablature, but with all those strings, how does one decide where to play things?
@InfernoXV lirone tablature works, I use a 7-line tab with a D on the line representing the D string, almost as a sort of tab clef. For this video I was looking at a melody plus pop chord symbols which I transcribed from the lute tablature
I use an eight-line tab sheet with a system of "tab clefs:" I write D on the line for the D string, (or G# or Ab if too far away from D in the sharp or flat direction, respectively.) Since most people use lirone tunings based on the circle of fifths (although Lanfranco proposes a 3rds based tuning which I'm aching to try), we only need to know where our hand is in relation to the middle string (usually D) and the outer strings. Every lirone is different, so be sure to ask your performer their tuning and other needs before writing for them!
Non posso dirti con precisione, perché non gli compro con precisione! Perché ho 60+ strumenti di corde con diversi grandezze, compro le corde "in bulk" da Gamut Strings o Aquila Corde, in ogni grandezza dal violino E1 al basso di viola A7. Scusami per l'italiano cattivo, non l'ho parlato da molto tempo.
Actually, not quite! When tuned meantone or all-pure intervals, one outer string is G#, the other is Ab, and there's a dramatic pitch discrepancy between the two! One of my favorite quirks of the lirone 💚
Nice it was uplaoded in my birthday, sad i dint watch it back them. Dint know Cesare Negri conpose for anything aside from lute. You are reading tablature, there tablature for harpsichord, i know "Flores de musica pera o instrumento de Tecla" book from Padre manuel rodrigues coelho who use it,he as compare to frescobaldi andd his fiori musicali, sad he is so often played, there tablature for viola da gamba too. Even tough Lute anddd baroque guitar are writen in tablature, there still lute composers like Robert dde Visee who compose lute music in staff notation "pièces de théorbe et de luth", or even bach who compose lute pieces in staff notation too. So Negri write this in tablature or staff notation? In the end it doesn't matter if it is staff notation or tablature, what matter is be less time consuming, there lot of pieces and composers to discover and dedicate, only from medieval, renaissance, and baroque era, even if a man lives 100 years, and still able to play is not enough. Sad thing about tablature is that u dont think too much about notes, if you think you need think twice since you only see numbers in fretboard.
The balli in this source are all notated as a single-line melody with accompanying lute tablature, with the above-notated polyphonic voice as cantus most of the time if not always (haven't played through the whole book yet so I'll amend that if I find one where the notated line isn't the cantus). I can also play lute, so when playing lute music on other instruments I usually just read the tabs and translate in my head as best I can for the instrument I'm playing at the time. I'm a big fan of tablature in general, because you're right; you think less about the notes. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing (✿^‿^)
Can confirm that lirone works well in pop, rock, jazz and hip-hop, EXCEPT the fact that tuning it in equal temperament sounds pretty gross. If it's just me and a vocalist or with guitar and voice, I can tune it in all-pure-intervals-lirone-temperament and no one consciously registers the difference. With a full band, or especially with piano, all-pure temperament sounds out of tune. However, digital synths can be tuned in whatever temperament, so in electronic-oriented pop genres lirone really shines.
Funny you should say that! Earlier in the pandemic I recorded a weekend's worth of improv in collaboration with noise artist Without Mirrors, including a section where I was just doing crazy stuff on lirone through their very fancy delay pedal, while they were manipulating the pedal's settings in subtle and beautiful ways. Will be released... Sometime? In the future?
I see how it sounds mixolydian, given the prominent Bb chords in a mostly C Major context. Hard to say whether Negri thought of this as Mixolydian (or Mode VII, as he would have called it). This is around the time that people began to think of harmonies as vertical "chords" rather than horizontal "polyphonic lines that happen to simultaneously strike consonant notes." So, thinking of this music in a tonal context or a "key" might not be as helpful as thinking of it as "Lydian mode with flat 4 going melodically down, and raised 4 if it leads melodically up, with flat 7 as an option for extra flavor" or "Mixolydian with raised 7 in the cantus (highest) line but flat 7 in the tenor (lower) line."
I always find my way back to this video! Such a beautiful song played with an amazing instrument by a skilled player!
Yes, and you succeded that one hear the melody on the lirone, something many claimed would be impossible!
One of an ancient instruments that still exist
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As a cellist, I really want to get my hands on this!
Love this so much.
highly underrated channel
Yes. Glad i found it in time.
this whips absolute ass and I need a lirone immediately
Beautiful to hear someone playing Lirone with melody! Wonderful stuff Niccolo, bravo!
This is the coolest stuff ever
Zero exaggerating
Sounds like a whole string section!!!❤
Чудесный инструмент!
Absolutely beautiful. I love the polyphony.
so freaking good. thanks for learning how to play this beast.
The sound certainly has a Renaissance quality; conjours images of noblemen wearing ruffs.
Amazing. The sound is so powerful
Great! Funny enough that many years ago I used to hold my bow on the medieval fiddle (only ”da braccio”-way) like that!
so beautiful and danceable!
Wonderful instrument! 🙌
Great !
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This is so gooooood
Where would you even buy a lirone?
This one is by Marco Salerno, but most good viol makers can build a beautiful lirone.
That was nice~ Who made the instrument? It looks beautiful!
Marco Salerno! I also have a 7-string bass viol by him and I love both very much 💚
given the number of strings, how does one even notate what is to be played? i have a background in lute and can do continuo, and i usually notate more 'unusual' chord shapes in a sort of tablature, but with all those strings, how does one decide where to play things?
@InfernoXV lirone tablature works, I use a 7-line tab with a D on the line representing the D string, almost as a sort of tab clef. For this video I was looking at a melody plus pop chord symbols which I transcribed from the lute tablature
Very interested in the prospects of composing new music for lirone, I presume any written music is usually in tab? How is it notated?
I use an eight-line tab sheet with a system of "tab clefs:" I write D on the line for the D string, (or G# or Ab if too far away from D in the sharp or flat direction, respectively.) Since most people use lirone tunings based on the circle of fifths (although Lanfranco proposes a 3rds based tuning which I'm aching to try), we only need to know where our hand is in relation to the middle string (usually D) and the outer strings. Every lirone is different, so be sure to ask your performer their tuning and other needs before writing for them!
Scusa, mi puoi dire con precisione dove trovi le corde per il tuo strumento?
Non posso dirti con precisione, perché non gli compro con precisione! Perché ho 60+ strumenti di corde con diversi grandezze, compro le corde "in bulk" da Gamut Strings o Aquila Corde, in ogni grandezza dal violino E1 al basso di viola A7. Scusami per l'italiano cattivo, non l'ho parlato da molto tempo.
Awesome perfomance bro! Love it.Lets play tetris!
I love this instrument the outer strings are both an Ab
Actually, not quite! When tuned meantone or all-pure intervals, one outer string is G#, the other is Ab, and there's a dramatic pitch discrepancy between the two! One of my favorite quirks of the lirone 💚
Nice it was uplaoded in my birthday, sad i dint watch it back them. Dint know Cesare Negri conpose for anything aside from lute. You are reading tablature, there tablature for harpsichord, i know "Flores de musica pera o instrumento de Tecla" book from Padre manuel rodrigues coelho who use it,he as compare to frescobaldi andd his fiori musicali, sad he is so often played, there tablature for viola da gamba too. Even tough Lute anddd baroque guitar are writen in tablature, there still lute composers like Robert dde Visee who compose lute music in staff notation "pièces de théorbe et de luth", or even bach who compose lute pieces in staff notation too. So Negri write this in tablature or staff notation? In the end it doesn't matter if it is staff notation or tablature, what matter is be less time consuming, there lot of pieces and composers to discover and dedicate, only from medieval, renaissance, and baroque era, even if a man lives 100 years, and still able to play is not enough. Sad thing about tablature is that u dont think too much about notes, if you think you need think twice since you only see numbers in fretboard.
The balli in this source are all notated as a single-line melody with accompanying lute tablature, with the above-notated polyphonic voice as cantus most of the time if not always (haven't played through the whole book yet so I'll amend that if I find one where the notated line isn't the cantus). I can also play lute, so when playing lute music on other instruments I usually just read the tabs and translate in my head as best I can for the instrument I'm playing at the time. I'm a big fan of tablature in general, because you're right; you think less about the notes. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing
(✿^‿^)
This could be a rock instrument
Can confirm that lirone works well in pop, rock, jazz and hip-hop, EXCEPT the fact that tuning it in equal temperament sounds pretty gross. If it's just me and a vocalist or with guitar and voice, I can tune it in all-pure-intervals-lirone-temperament and no one consciously registers the difference. With a full band, or especially with piano, all-pure temperament sounds out of tune. However, digital synths can be tuned in whatever temperament, so in electronic-oriented pop genres lirone really shines.
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Beautiful! Love it. I would love to hear it through an amplifier with chorus and delay.
Funny you should say that! Earlier in the pandemic I recorded a weekend's worth of improv in collaboration with noise artist Without Mirrors, including a section where I was just doing crazy stuff on lirone through their very fancy delay pedal, while they were manipulating the pedal's settings in subtle and beautiful ways. Will be released... Sometime? In the future?
@@NiccoloSeligmann Oh wow! Strange minds think alike? Can’t wait to hear how your improv sounded !!
This music like some Brazilian country music. Mixolydian?
I see how it sounds mixolydian, given the prominent Bb chords in a mostly C Major context. Hard to say whether Negri thought of this as Mixolydian (or Mode VII, as he would have called it). This is around the time that people began to think of harmonies as vertical "chords" rather than horizontal "polyphonic lines that happen to simultaneously strike consonant notes." So, thinking of this music in a tonal context or a "key" might not be as helpful as thinking of it as "Lydian mode with flat 4 going melodically down, and raised 4 if it leads melodically up, with flat 7 as an option for extra flavor" or "Mixolydian with raised 7 in the cantus (highest) line but flat 7 in the tenor (lower) line."
É brasileiro também companheiro?😅
Lirone
Lirtwo
Lirthree
Lirfour
Lirfive!
Lirsix
Amazing. The sound is so powerful